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Trend to heavier fly lines

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Re: Trend to heavier fly lines

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Post by VGB » Thu Nov 25, 2021 3:08 pm

F'k that for a game of soldiers :-)
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Re: Trend to heavier fly lines

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Post by Morsie » Fri Nov 26, 2021 7:55 am

Vince in NZed a few years ago I had looked at the weather forecast and could see a screaming northwester was going to hit at around midday so I loaded up with 6 with a 6 line. My mate headed out with his 5. At 12, The dust cloud coming down the big open valley looked like there was an army of orcs on the march and boom it hit us. We hadn't gone too far so I sent my mate back to the car where I had another 6 and some lines on reels. He caught up with me and started throwing bloody good casts (he's a CI anyway) in the wind. "I like this set-up" he said. I had a cast with it, it was a #6 One, easy enough to see, but the line was an 8 Outbound short. It smacked those flies out there, into that gale. The casts were only 30 feet anyway. If we know what we're doing we can put it together.

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Re: Trend to heavier fly lines

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Post by Lasse Karlsson » Fri Nov 26, 2021 9:13 am

Mass is king 😉

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Re: Trend to heavier fly lines

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Post by Lasse Karlsson » Fri Nov 26, 2021 9:18 am

Paul Arden wrote:
Thu Nov 25, 2021 4:21 am
The closer it gets to throwing spinning tackle and the further away it gets from forming a loop, the more extreme the respective tackle differences become.

I blame Sage :D I also blame us for using the TCR5 for distance casting competitions!

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Since throwing a lure and throwing a flyline basicly is the same, what is your point again?

What where the CCS figures for your HT 5/6 again?

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Re: Trend to heavier fly lines

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Post by VGB » Fri Nov 26, 2021 9:32 am

Hi Morsie, I had a similar experience in Iceland with Mark Surtees. We were out in a howling gale on top of a hill in an overgrown beat and not many others were able to fish. The set up that I had on the chalk was all I had in the car due to senility and was enough that I knocked out a few fish but it wasn't a pleasure to cast or fish like that in that environment. I wouldn't do it by choice. A #4 rod and #9 line might have solved both those problems but I'm not sure I would have caught much with the fish lying in knee deep water.

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Re: Trend to heavier fly lines

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Post by Paul Arden » Fri Nov 26, 2021 10:23 am

Since throwing a lure and throwing a flyline basicly is the same, what is your point again?
I don’t think throwing a flyline and a lure is basically the same thing, otherwise spin anglers could all fly cast. The different between fly casting and spin casting is that the flyline is the weight and we cast it by forming a loop. If they can understand the loop then they can fly cast. Forming a loop in the flyline is not the same thing as throwing a spinner. There are some similarities of course, just as there are similarities to throwing a ball, dart or a javelin. Or for that matter cracking a whip.

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Re: Trend to heavier fly lines

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Post by Lasse Karlsson » Fri Nov 26, 2021 11:47 am

🤣🤣

They can, they just don't throw their mistakes as far with a flyline as they do with a more compact castingweight..

And a loop forms after we have made our cast, ie accelerated our casting weight. Spin fishers do not need to understand a loop before they can cast, 99,99% of flyfishers haven't got a clue about it either 😉

This seriously sound like the argument that to teach someone to throw 120 feet, one needs to be able to throw 130 themselves...

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Re: Trend to heavier fly lines

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Post by Paul Arden » Fri Nov 26, 2021 11:50 am

They can, they just don't throw their mistakes as far with a flyline as they do with a more compact castingweight..
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Re: Trend to heavier fly lines

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Post by Morsie » Sat Nov 27, 2021 12:49 am

Its easy to make a cast with a spin rod look like a cast with a fly rod, and it's easy to cast a spin rod when you have a serious fly casting background. The reality is that the impact of an improper acceleration with a spin rod has few consequences for the cast, its still going to get out there, whereas the acceleration and release that most spin casters use is a recipe for either tails or wide open loops with a fly rod. I teach a lot of people who come to fly casting after years of using spin and plug tackle, and mastering the subtleties of acceleration with a fly rod, (where if done incorrectly, the consequences for the cast are dire), is a looong battle for them. I'm talking people who throw hundreds of long casts in a day using a spin rod. They could do it with a spin rod for a thousand years and not throw a tailing loop. Can you throw a tailing loop with a spin rod?

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Re: Trend to heavier fly lines

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Post by John Waters » Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:38 am

Improper acceleration with either a spinning reel or revolving drum reel has dire consequences. A break-off,birdsnest or both is the inevitable outcome. The only thing that reduces the chances of that is the breaking strain of the line. Again, the similarities between fly and spin casting are much more relevant and common than are often assumed in my opinion.

As in all types of casting the outcomes are often just a matter of degree.

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