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Dangle and cure

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Dangle and cure

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Post by johnnybg » Wed Nov 13, 2019 7:49 pm

I have "developed" a casting fault what i believe is called a dangle/dangling end.

It's typically happening at the end of the cast at the final casting stroke, resulting in a wave in the fly leg and the fly skipping on the surface.

First I thought it was due to too much overhang (I'm using a shooting head on the coast), but minimizing the overhang did not cure the dangle.

I've attached a drawing of the casting fault. It's been recreated from looking at some footage a friend made of me on a day I was swearing more than normally due to this problem :666:

Can anyone tell me what fault causes this and how it's cured? :???:

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Re: Dangle and cure

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Post by bartdezwaan » Wed Nov 13, 2019 8:43 pm

No worries Johhny, I think we all have it.
Someone will fill me in, but I think if you have the least of sack in your line, you have it.
As Lasse has mentioned before, dropping the rod tip before the next cast will promote it.

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Post by Paul Arden » Thu Nov 14, 2019 3:26 am

There are a few causes, one is the line not being fully straight but U-shaped at loop straight and the other is the rod tip rising above the line at the beginning of the casting stroke. Bernd has an excellent image/FP on them. I’ll dig it out later - have a few chores first :)

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Post by Paul Arden » Thu Nov 14, 2019 5:12 am

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Post by johnnybg » Fri Nov 15, 2019 5:54 pm

Thanks all 🙏

I think it might be the rod tip rising above the line at the beginning of the forward stroke. From the footage, I see that I primarily rotate (instead of translate) when I drift. This brings the rod tip too far down before the forward stroke. Is this what introduces the wave in the line that becomes a dangling end in the fly leg making the fly skip on the surface? 🤔

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Post by Lasse Karlsson » Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:01 pm

Yup

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Post by Paul Arden » Sat Nov 16, 2019 8:47 am

You can try lifting the rod butt in preparation for the beginning of the forward cast, but really, it’s very difficult to remove completely for a long carry perhaps impossible!

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Re: Dangle and cure

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Post by Subtropicalspey » Sat Nov 16, 2019 12:30 pm

Johnnybg wrote: Is this what introduces the wave in the line that becomes a dangling end in the fly leg making the fly skip on the surface?

In Bernd's explanations of the dangling end he uses a dangling end on the back cast followed by a puddled leader on the delivery cast. In the above question, are we talking about the effect of a dangling end on the delivery cast?

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Post by Paul Arden » Sat Nov 16, 2019 3:43 pm

Johnnybg wrote: Is this what introduces the wave in the line that becomes a dangling end in the fly leg making the fly skip on the surface?
I missed this Eugene. Thanks!

Johnny can you describe where the fly skips along the surface pls? I can see with a heavy fly might result in this, but generally a dangling end results in lots of things from ticking at your feet to an S-shape in the fly leg but fly skipping the surface (and still unrolling?) I haven’t seen. If so I want to learn it!!!

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Ps sorry I’m on a course this weekend but will draw some diagrams tomorrow!
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