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Large SH rod videos?

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Re: Large SH rod videos?

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Post by Lasse Karlsson » Sun Jul 05, 2020 10:35 am

Lasse Karlsson wrote:
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The flies i use on the rod Paul would write 8 on, that I use a bit of 11 weight line to throw easier, are all quite big, I'll post a pic in a sec.

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They are possible to throw on even a 5 weight, but so much easier on a heavier line :blush:

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Re: Large SH rod videos?

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Post by Paul Arden » Sun Jul 05, 2020 12:51 pm

Of course but the question is not "can a heavier line cast a heavier fly with more ease?" But "Do you prefer to cast a heavier line with a stiffer or softer rod?" It goes fly - line - rod. Big fly - heavy line - and then what action do you want? I think you are secretly a closet Winston man - and nothing wrong with that Lasse! Frank was too and he disagreed with everything I wrote. If I said the sun was yellow he would tell me it was blue. :upside:

Me personally I like a certain feel which is HT rods aligned according to AFFTA. There is no right or wrong about this since it comes down to personal feel. A heavy line will throw a big fly no matter how stiff is the rod. Personally I think HT rods are softer than the current trend but certainly stiffer than the rods that I used when I first learned to fish.

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Re: Large SH rod videos?

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Post by Lasse Karlsson » Sun Jul 05, 2020 6:49 pm

You haven't tried some of the recent broomstick winstons I can tell then :whistle:
And no, definetly not a winston man :D I think your HT 8 is the best rod out there that says 8 above the handle.

The whole what action you want and heavier line slows down the action myth is something I do not buy into ;)
I agree it goes fly, suitable line and whatever stick that floats your boat. If I am fishing pike with long casts all day, covering alot of water, I opt for the shootinghead, weighing in somewhere less than what you are carrying for most of your shots ;) If I where doing precision shots with smaller flies, and fewer casts over the day, I would probably still use the same line, but would also be happy to use a full line instead, and then a lighter class.

Colour of the sun is depending on your ability to see colours, no wonder Frank saw it as blue :D

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Post by Paul Arden » Sun Jul 05, 2020 8:03 pm

Well that’s Hooke’s Law so it’s a difficult position to argue against. “Slowing it down” is not really accurate. Bending it more which in turn results in a slower stroke is probably more accurate. Put a 4 line on the 8 and compare that to a 12 on the 8 and there are some pretty big stroke adjustments for an SLP.

I’kl try to shoot some video but I have to edit one first from last week.

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Post by Paul Arden » Sun Jul 05, 2020 8:04 pm

I think your HT 8 is the best rod out there that says 8 above the handle.
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Re: Large SH rod videos?

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Post by Lasse Karlsson » Sun Jul 05, 2020 9:17 pm

Paul Arden wrote:
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Well that’s Hooke’s Law so it’s a difficult position to argue against. “Slowing it down” is not really accurate. Bending it more which in turn results in a slower stroke is probably more accurate. Put a 4 line on the 8 and compare that to a 12 on the 8 and there are some pretty big stroke adjustments for an SLP.

I’kl try to shoot some video but I have to edit one first from last week.

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I do have two identical rods that say 8 on the side, should I try and cast them with the same stroke and a 4 and a 12 ;)
Which really isn't what we're talking about here, when you're advocating a long belly 8 against a short piece of 11 is it :whistle: This has alot more to do with casters feel and habit rather than actual tackle adjustments...

Looking forward to the video, is it coming before or after all the other ones :p

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Re: Large SH rod videos?

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Post by Michal Duzynski » Sun Jul 05, 2020 9:44 pm

cheers Paul
I always enncorage people to practice, its free and save some frustration when on the water.
In the video I used 26feet of super fast sinking head +8 feet leader+3feet overhang = 37feet, that is not long enough to use full flip flop style, but once you set the loop I would use and open stroke to the back for the delivery.
Long belly feels a bit different.
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Post by Paul Arden » Mon Jul 06, 2020 7:08 am

The aeroplane wings is more about getting students to straighten their hauling arm rather than rod arm but I take your point on the short head.

I also agree with Lasse :O :p :whistle: with a shooting head you want to go up 1 line weight, sometimes 2, for distance. Just like sometimes with a DT dropping a line weight can help. Where I have issues is taking heavy shooting heads or similar WF tapers to fishing situations where this tackle is a disadvantage, regularly uplining without thought to purpose and line companies making lines heavier than standard. It makes no sense for example to manufacture a line that weights an 8 and label it a 7.

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Re: Large SH rod videos?

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Post by sms » Sun Jul 12, 2020 2:38 pm

This is quite heavy gear I am casting here (I’m wearing light blue visor). The old TFO Bluewater medium duty (13-15) and Rio Leviathan Intermediate which is 600gr when checked on a scale.
Terrible stuff. Nowadays I try to limit the lines to ~12wt and I use much softer rods. The softer riod gives me much more possibility to input the force over a longer distance and longer time. Less peak force. Much easier on the hand and arm. Which is important when having one of those days that there are lots of fish but not really bites.
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