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Where on the cork do you grip the rod?

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Carol
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Re: Where on the cork do you grip the rod?

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Post by Carol » Thu Jul 02, 2020 2:30 am

Thanks, Gordy. That makes sense.
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Re: Where on the cork do you grip the rod?

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Post by Merlin » Thu Jul 02, 2020 9:51 am

Hi Gordy

Although the wrist joint cannot be locked as a clamp the situation varies from something close to a clamp as one drives the rod, to something close to a free end as we stop the rod (in a general sense). I can make all (5) various situations illustrated before appear with a (light) rod, even the fondamental frequency. That does not mean I can measure them with such a methodology, especially with loaded.

I think I better control a "clamped" situation with a light rod and a short line, and if I cast for distance, then I'm sure I am nearly in a "stopless" situation, whilst I let the rod unload on itself (on the first free-free mode then).

I guess the Abel arm moves the mass upwards allowing to keep the butt node on the handle and to limit the distance with the grip which improves comfort, especially with a rather "heavy" reel when using a light short graphite rod. This is the reason why I'm still using my old Hardy featherweight with my modern short light rods.

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Re: Where on the cork do you grip the rod?

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Post by gordonjudd » Thu Jul 02, 2020 3:13 pm

Although the wrist joint cannot be locked as a clamp the situation varies from something close to a clamp as one drives the rod, to something close to a free end as we stop the rod (in a general sense).
Merlin,

I agree. I think the bendform shapes of a forced rod are probably different than when the butt is not being translated or forcefully rotated.

I suspect that a baseball bat also has a bendform that is akin to the first clamped-free mode before it makes contact with the ball as well. But I think that being forced or not forced is what makes the difference in the bendform shape not how firm the grip happens to be.

Even with a death grip on the rod Haun measured his wrist stiffness to be around 40 n-m/radians which is a far cry from being clamped.

Gordy

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Re: Where on the cork do you grip the rod?

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Post by Carol » Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:08 pm

I asked Mac about the Abel Arm:

Question: Was this Abel reel (pic attached) meant to accomplish something similar?
Answer: I don't think so because the reel seat is in the same position. What it does is would help to balance heavier rods.
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Re: Where on the cork do you grip the rod?

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Post by John Waters » Thu Jul 02, 2020 11:48 pm

I experimented with repositioning the reel, including placing it above the thumb, in the 80’s. I also had an aluminium “U” strip that I could tape onto the rod and affix the reel to that to get various reel positions off the rod, similar to the Abel attachment, but found it had no benefit for me. However, with the reel above the thumb, I felt it allowed a faster turnover once the rod past the vertical. Of course that may have just been the fact that it was different and differences can sometimes be deceiving as to their perceived benefits vs. actual benefits. I did not follow up but may do so again and quantify the differences, if any.

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Re: Where on the cork do you grip the rod?

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Post by Paul Arden » Fri Jul 03, 2020 2:52 pm

Hi Carol, I use many different grips but I've never felt particularly comfortable with that grip. I worked on it for a little while to try to get a few more inches of rod tip height on the forward delivery for distance casting. The grip that I like to teach for more comfortable casting is to throw the rod like it was a tennis ball.

I had some good times with Mac, and some great discussions too :D

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Re: Where on the cork do you grip the rod?

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Post by Carol » Fri Jul 03, 2020 3:14 pm

Paul Arden wrote:
Fri Jul 03, 2020 2:52 pm
I had some good times with Mac, and some great discussions too :D
He is a colorful character, for sure, and very thoughtful about casting, fishing and guiding ...
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