180 "tails".

[Paul Arden]

Hi Colin,

Most likely I think what happens is that the leader near the fly catches another part of the leader and the fly rotates around the leader and into the gap. And then either during the next cast - or possibly even during the retrieve - this knot pulls tight.

So to my mind anyway it’s the cast that puts it there and the next cast (or retrieve) that tightens it.

Sorry I still haven’t made videos for this discussion yet. The drone is an excellent idea and my best opportunity to do this.

Cheers, Paul

[Morsie]

Lasse they happen both ways, easy enough, just not in this clip because I was making adjustments to the stroke to avoid them on the bc, as you know you can.

[Morsie]

Graeme Hird added this.

[Tangled]

Most likely I think what happens is that the leader near the fly catches another part of the leader and the fly rotates around the leader and into the gap. And then either during the next cast - or possibly even during the retrieve - this knot pulls tight.

So to my mind anyway it’s the cast that puts it there and the next cast (or retrieve) that tightens it.

Sorry, don't want to derail the thread, it just occurred to me that I've just accepted that wind knots are made by tailing loops but don't actually understand how. Maybe there's another thread on it?

Edit: found it!

https://www.sexyloops.co.uk/theboard/vi ... ots#p57849

[John Waters]

Are those casts off the ground?

John

[John Waters]

Is this not an example of BDBs? Forward cast completed (or almost) yet a backcast loop leader end is curving upwards, leader end will simply follow loop shape downward as it moves forward.

[Morsie]

The line is lying on the ground and starts straight and static - so there's no gravity affecting the rod leg of the loop. Its a straight out 180 (tracking issue) issue.

[Paul Arden]

Nice video. If you only saw this part what would you say?

Cheers, Paul

[Morsie]

Incoming...... "The rod tip dipped during the casting stroke due to an improper acceleration".

[Graeme H]

Here's the path of the rod tip from that clip within Tracker software:

Cheers,
Graeme