VGB wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 9:12 am
Paul Arden wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 5:08 am
As Lasse writes, starting the stroke too early is a common cause (one that is often given very little consideration actually).
Often because the caster does not or cannot watch the back cast
Regards
Vince
Certainly can be but there are many cases of instructors teaching to begin the cast at Loop Straight or hitting the “J”.
Last week I was playing with this on the boat roof, because I have a couple of above-intermediate students currently, who either have or had this as a recurring problem. The first was after we had tightened his backcasts (it has since gone), the second came with it when we started and we are currently working through it.
I think it’s actually a Dangling End and not a true Tail. I can cast it at will by hitting loop straight with a rod backcast angle of 45 degrees / 1.30 o clock. However if I allow all the tension to disappear out of the line then it immediately disappears. If instead of 1.30 I only go to 12.30 the problem also disappears (obviously trajectories have to be accounted for here), which left me with the distinct impression that it was a result of tension in the line coupled with a rising rod tip path at the beginning of the casting stroke (Dangling End). This is different to what I had thought was happening, which was a surge of energy pulling down the rod tip at the beginning of the casting stroke, followed by a rising rod tip as the surge dissipates — Tailing Loop).
And I think that’s a pretty important distinction, because for my accuracy casting I hit Loop Straight. For longer casts I delay until the tension has left the line.
I’d be interested to know what others find. I will try repeating this on video because it was an interesting session.
Sorry Pink Piranha; it’s gone a bit technical and it may be still completely different to what you are doing!!
However it’s definitely, IMO, a transition issue between back and forward strokes. And the more you try to fix it the worse it gets!!! I will make that video and hopefully it will shine some light on this.
Cheers, Paul