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Post by guest » Thu Dec 01, 2016 11:57 am

I tried the flat spot this morning and found that I had to start and finish steeper than in a normal climbing sweep. Maybe it's because I exaggerated the flat bit but it's a lot of changes of direction to put into a small angle change otherwise.

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Post by Paul Arden » Thu Dec 01, 2016 2:20 pm

Are you lifting vertically or inclining around, Vince? If the lift isn't straight you rob yourself of space. One way of teaching the 45 degree SS is to lift vertically, sweep flat to the shoulder and then curve upwards.

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Post by guest » Thu Dec 01, 2016 2:51 pm

Hi Paul

For 45 degrees, I usually cut in then incline up like a helter skelter track.

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Post by Paul Arden » Thu Dec 01, 2016 3:47 pm

It's a strange cast on the SH rod. I spent time with it for AAPGAI, but when fishing I normally start with the end of the flyline either just outside or just inside the rod. 45SS is the hardest Spey cast, particularly off-shoulder.

If your anchor is not skipping then no problems.

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Post by Lou Bruno » Thu Dec 01, 2016 5:09 pm

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I prefer No. 3 also, because like you I'm concentrating on the best anchor placement, with ideal D/V loop for the conditions.
Your sweep, is that the same as rod plane (flat, climbing)?

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Post by Paul Arden » Thu Dec 01, 2016 5:21 pm

Hi Lou,

Yes Sexyloops definitions. Sweeping the line into place/repositioning the line sort of thing. The Lift is also a form of Sweep. I think the definitions work well.

Sometimes for 3 my rod tip path is descending for much of the acceleration.

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Post by ACW » Sat Dec 03, 2016 9:49 am

Lou Bruno wrote:
Paul Arden wrote:Did this help or was it gobbledegook? :p
Paul....yes. Wanted to see how the single spey with a single handed rod compared with a two handed.
I've noticed that the dip, depending on the source, can be included and not. It's nice to understand why "to dip or not."[/quote

No way am I a great caster but the moves are exactly the same ,I made the swap from DH to single hand by thumb and index fingers of left hand "pinching the but.that keyed me to the ingrained sequence .
Works for me and i now contrived roll cast with anything from 6ft to 16ft rods
With still air or an upstream breese the single spey is just a joy to perform and is very efficient .
BTW very old school caster taught by Falkus ,back in the days of 40yard double tapers ]

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Post by Paul Arden » Sat Dec 03, 2016 10:22 am

It's all the same rod tip movements, it's only that with the DHD you have all sorts of different recommendations as to how you balance the force between the two hands. With the SH rod all you need to do is haul. Those are the three different lift/sweep combinations that are commonly used; continually raising the tip / flat section / dip. They all work - often one is used to fix a fault in the other, which leads to confusion. The question becomes do you want to learn something that works for you, or do you want to learn all the possibilities? Where they start to become important is when competing. I know that when going for my maximum distance SS/Switch casts I have a very aggressive downward movement with the rod tip when using the single handed rod. I don't have enough experience with the DHD but I would be very wary of someone telling me that there is only one way to do it, particularly if they are not competing!

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Post by easterncaster » Mon Dec 05, 2016 3:44 pm

Paul Arden wrote:... If you just practised anchors for a year it would not be time wasted.

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Agreed ! Forming an anchor in some ways, can be seen as forming a loop. It is a skill. Work on good anchors as well crappy anchors - call up your inner Goldilocks.

IMHO, best to practice non dipped, aka Inclined. You can always dip, that's easy ;)

Picking up (lifting... duh) a sunk fly and tip, or setting an anchor when dealing with wind are two reasons to use a Lift and Dip.

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Post by Paul Arden » Mon Dec 05, 2016 6:18 pm

I don't teach a lot of single handed casting lessons but always in groups. However, I think dipping is more difficult to teach. It's a pretty specialist lesson someone coming to you to learn single handed Spey casting.

It will be interesting to get in the double handed world and see what goes on there. I plan to do this, learning from competition casters first. It's ironic that the only purpose I have for the DHD is to win competitions :p

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