A different (?) view on rod-design.

[Paul Arden]

Sorry, applying force through an angle change ie torque for engineers.

Have fun fishing

Cheers, Paul

[VGB]

BTW — we see in real time too but the difference is we see the result. We feel the cause.

Ron

If you are feeling the result before seeing it, you have discovered faster than light.

Regards

Vince

[VGB]

Sorry, applying force through an angle change ie torque for engineers.

Have fun fishing

Cheers, Paul

You might think that is the case Paul but all your domes have a flat roof.

Having a lean spell on the rivers. I’ve dropped over 10 fish in a row but got one to stick before rain stopped play. Hoping for a spinner fall before bad light stops play. I can’t fish dry flies through feel

[VGB]

Hi Ron

Isn't the "feely thing" and the fact that one of you use it as a method of instruction and one doesn't indicate that maybe there is something to the theory that people learn in different ways?

What would your “feely” lesson plan look like? Would you teach them to tail or produce a good cast first and would you blindfold them to sensitise their feeling?

Regards

Vince

[Tangled]

I took a mate that had never held any kind of fishing rod out in a boat after showing him the basics. As you would imagine it was a bit hit and miss, but he managed to catch one - actually it was a 4lb brownie and we got it into the boat which is pretty amazing for a rank beginner.

Anyway, he made a comment during a day where I'd spent most of it trying to stop him breaking his wrist on the backcast - he said "you can feel it when you get it right can't you?" At the basic level you can, you feel the backcast and following forward cast if done right. All that's happening is that you've managed to keep slack out of the cast so the rod is offering resistance and you feel it.

Also learning to double-haul. The best method I've found in teaching it - and learning myself - was by putting an 9 weight line on a 5 weight rod. You feel that and it gets the basic action started. Once you've overcome the initial patting head and rubbing stomach problem you've started.

[RSalar]

Also learning to double-haul. The best method I've found in teaching it - and learning myself - was by putting an 9 weight line on a 5 weight rod. You feel that and it gets the basic action started. Once you've overcome the initial patting head and rubbing stomach problem you've started.

Good point. I have found the same thing to be true when casting older bamboo fly rods — the ones that bend all the way to the grip. Really slow rods “transmit” the feeling of loading and unloading over a longer period of time. I’m sure that if you timed it the difference would be very little but the way we feel things there is an obvious difference (at least to the experienced caster). These slower rods also have to be accelerated more slowly in order to avoid a tail so that is very instructive as well.

[RSalar]

Ron

If you are feeling the result before seeing it, you have discovered faster than light.

Regards

Vince

That’s not quite the way it works Vince. You feel how much force and speed you are applying to the rod — that is the CAUSE, not the result. You SEE the RESULT. Feel the cause / see the result. The cause happens before the result. Feeling the rod comes first then you see what that feeling produced by looking at at. Besides wouldn’t you agree. That when you are fishing you should keep your eyes on the fish not your fly rod or line? When I see fishermen watching their line I immediately think: Newbie.

Ron

[Graeme H]

When I see fishermen watching their line I immediately think: Newbie.

[John Waters]

Wow, a lot of "Newbies" will compete in Norway and Estonia this year, as well as attend the next CCI or MCI accreditation day.

John

[RSalar]

Wow, a lot of "Newbies" will compete in Norway and Estonia this year, as well as attend the next CCI or MCI accreditation day.

John

John and Graeme, Competing in the world distance championships is not the same as fishing. I'm referring to fishermen who are actually fishing -- when I watch a group of people fishing (for example fishing through a rotating pool) and see someone looking at their back cast I can tell they are newbies. I'm sorry but they are not good casters. The experienced fishermen are watching the water and looking for any signs of a fish. And they make very good casts without looking at their back cast. I'm surprised that you guys haven't observed the same thing.

Cheers,

Ron