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Evaluating the Haul

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Walter
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Re: Evaluating the Haul

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Adding 1 more. This is the same as the previous run with the addition of constant upward translation motion of 1 m/s. This time peak speed is reached after 0.5 seconds (rod has rotated 45 degrees).
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Re: Evaluating the Haul

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Hi Walter

FWIW here are the speed profiles for a 170 forward cast from Paul. Maybe you could take inspiration from these data to define your scenarios:
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Re: Evaluating the Haul

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Thanks Daniel.

Just to make sure I’m reading that correctly the rotation rate of the rod goes from 0 to 16 radians/sec (roughly 150 rpm) in just over .2 seconds?
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Re: Evaluating the Haul

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Correct Walter. That is about 900 deg/s in a very short time, typical of a competition cast.

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Re: Evaluating the Haul

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Thanks Daniel,

This is just preliminary since I've only used a single stage acceleration, and had to guess some of the angles and acceleration rates so you can see that haul distance is excessive but here is what I get for the period from 0.6 seconds to 0.9 seconds in that cast.
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Re: Evaluating the Haul

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There is something like a factor 2 by comparison with the record. Could you please plot speeds (rotation, translation and line hand).

Many thanks in advance

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Re: Evaluating the Haul

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Hi Daniel,

Is translation speed a measure of the horizontal, linear velocity of the hand on the forward delivery cast?

Thanks in advance,


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Re: Evaluating the Haul

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Merlin wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2024 9:42 pm There is something like a factor 2 by comparison with the record. Could you please plot speeds (rotation, translation and line hand).

Many thanks in advance

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I made some adjustments to the acceleration profiles to get something a bit more realistic wrt hauling distance. Here is the result.
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Re: Evaluating the Haul

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Hi Walter

The translation speed, like others, is the absolute speed (along the path). In this case the path is nearly horizontal:
Paul 170 FC paths.JPG
The important point is the timing of events:
translation peak speed at 0.792 s
rotation peak speed at 0.834 s
haul peak speed at 0.871 s
line hand peak speed at 0.896 s

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