Feel

[Paul Arden]

Clicking? How do you do that, and how does it relate to feel?

Still trying to figure out where and when balancing on a snowboard/skateboard feels as related to casting a flyline.

Cheers
Lasse

Balancing on a snowboard or skateboard requires bending from the knees for balance. You can move your body around on a nice stable platform.

Cheers, Paul

[Lasse Karlsson]

I can move my body around on a skateboard, been doing that for 40 years.. snowboard makes it hard, my feet are strapped in. And I can balance just fine with straight knees, bending them makes it easier. That's why it doesn't make sense to me, when you make a half claim.
Btw. My first boardslide felt lightyears different from the boardslide number 9000....

Why not tell them to stand on one leg on a big stone and throw?

And snapping the fingers, yeah, can do that with all four, even if your lady says one of them will never work, just need to know the secret. So snapping your fingers is a feel you use to teach casters how to use less power? How so?

I started asking about what it is feeling teaching should feel like 15 years ago, and still haven't gotten a single straight answer, beginning to think I never will


Cheers
Lasse

[Paul Arden]

Which is why we are having the discussion of course.

Why is it much easier to teach someone regularly involved in sports, or at least active, rather than someone who lives a very sedentary life? Or do you not find that?

Cheers, Paul

[Paul Arden]

Teaching feel is not telling someone what they should or shouldn’t feel, but setting exercises and asking how it feels for them. I love the feel of casting. I like moving. I find it very interesting that some appear not to, like they have been permanently anaesthetised at childhood. If that’s truly the case I’m amazed they can even walk let alone fly cast.

Cheers, Paul

[Paul Arden]

I think if you want to be a “complete caster” or reach your full potential then you have to explore everything. And not isolate yourself because of what you may think you believe. I’ve seen a lot of very smart people who understand the physics, really struggle to cast well. We have to feel our bodies when we cast. It’s not an isolated headspace. What holds a lot of very smart people back is this. James is an exception in my opinion. Compared to many of the physics guys I’ve watched who are struggling to cast, James flies.

In my opinion the more you think feeling doesn’t matter then the more important it is for you. You have to absorb everything. If thinking your way into a 130’ cast hasn’t worked so far, then when will it happen?

I spent a lot of my life living in my head. Still do very much. But that’s not flythrowing. Flythrowing is a feeling of a connection between your body, the rod and the line. Everything you can do to facilitate that the better.

They don’t teach rugby players yoga so they can meditate up mountains. There are many blockages to flycasting progress. If you boil down what we do, we move our bodies to move the rod, to move the line.

Mel divided students into artists and scientists. I don’t. I think flycasting is both. And the more science you are the more art you need and vice versa.

How do you teach art?

Cheers, Paul

[VGB]

In my opinion the more you think feeling doesn’t matter then the more important it is for you. You have to absorb everything. If thinking your way into a 130’ cast hasn’t worked so far, then when will it happen?

Apart from mentoring, I haven’t put a tape out since I passed my CI because a single objective of absolute distance with one set of equipment under a fixed range of constraints is irrelevant to me, I don’t share your competition objectives and constraints.

I practice by picking up combinations of line, terminal tackle, rod length and characteristics that are appropriate to the upcoming fishing challenges that I’m going to be facing, or the objectives of the students I’m going to be teaching.

Because I have such varied objectives and constraints, I don’t have an idealised feel because there’s no such thing. If have one consider a single attribute makes you a complete caster, you can repeat your “feel” and experience it within a narrow range consistently.

Teaching is about communication, not personal performance and after about 120 pages of discussion on feel this year, there are no 2 people that can agree what feel means. For me, that speaks volumes about the impracticality of using feel for teaching.

Moreover, I’m sick to the tits of every discussion being dragged onto competition distance casting, so I’m going to leave these discussions to you guys.

Regards

Vince

PS. Yoga has nothing to do with mountains, my rehabilitative physio exercises include yoga poses.

[Mangrove Cuckoo]

I practice by picking up combinations of line, terminal tackle, rod length and characteristics that are appropriate to the upcoming fishing challenges that I’m going to be facing, or the objectives of the students I’m going to be.

Moreover, I’m sick to the tits of every discussion being dragged onto competition distance casting, so I’m going to leave these discussions to you guys.

Regards

Vince

Amen, and Amen!

[Paul Arden]

The interesting thing is, to dial in a new rod/outfit in a 2 min shootout (or indeed any time) I start with a very short line. Most people I watch start with a medium long carry and often fail to tighten the loops. Many anglers seem to have one casting “gear” and it’s third gear for everything.

Cheers, Paul

[Lasse Karlsson]

Which is why we are having the discussion of course.

Why is it much easier to teach someone regularly involved in sports, or at least active, rather than someone who lives a very sedentary life? Or do you not find that?

Cheers, Paul

Still doesn't answer my question, and thats why this debate is over 50 pages and the last one was over 70...

People who already have spatial awareness is easier because they already have it and can build immideatly. People who don't, need to gain some before they can get on.

Cheers
Lasse

[Lasse Karlsson]

I think if you want to be a “complete caster” or reach your full potential then you have to explore everything. And not isolate yourself because of what you may think you believe. I’ve seen a lot of very smart people who understand the physics, really struggle to cast well. We have to feel our bodies when we cast. It’s not an isolated headspace. What holds a lot of very smart people back is this. James is an exception in my opinion. Compared to many of the physics guys I’ve watched who are struggling to cast, James flies.

In my opinion the more you think feeling doesn’t matter then the more important it is for you. You have to absorb everything. If thinking your way into a 130’ cast hasn’t worked so far, then when will it happen?

I spent a lot of my life living in my head. Still do very much. But that’s not flythrowing. Flythrowing is a feeling of a connection between your body, the rod and the line. Everything you can do to facilitate that the better.

They don’t teach rugby players yoga so they can meditate up mountains. There are many blockages to flycasting progress. If you boil down what we do, we move our bodies to move the rod, to move the line.

Mel divided students into artists and scientists. I don’t. I think flycasting is both. And the more science you are the more art you need and vice versa.

How do you teach art?

Cheers, Paul

Na, what holds back alot of smart people, is the spatial awareness, I know plenty of smart people who cast great, all have in common that they like to move.

130 is a matter of cutting down the variables and only casting in 6th gear. Plenty of casting casters are there. It is so clear when watching them cast anything but the needed length. They pick up too long and can't adjust, but power on til they get there. The world championships is a great place to observe this these days... Feel has absolutly nothing to do with that.

Not everyone wants to be you, you do know that right?

Yoga is a great way of complimenting excersises that makes you stiff, like running around hitting each other in shorts on a cold day...

Mel said alot of nonsense, you do too

You should take an art class, you would be surprised
Yes, I have taken art classes....

A good Norwegian instructor once said, I will give you my notes, and show you the steps, but you have to learn to dance on your own. There's some truth in that, but truths are often jagged little pills that are hard to swallow...

More instructors need to take a few classes on teaching.

Cheers
Lasse