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Paul Arden wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2024 3:31 am
Also, surprisingly, despite a reputation of being more abrasion resistant, it does not do well in the barnacle and oyster encrusted roots of the mangroves.
Is that comparing breaking strains of lines of the same diameter?

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Paul,

I guess it is loosely based on lines of the same diameter - but there really is no comparison between breaking strain or diameter between the two.

Personally, on conventional tackle, I don't use mono stronger than 14#, or braid over 30# - ever! Even 30 braid is a problem when fishing from a canoe - if you hang up on something deep how are you going to break off 30# test? I can tell you it is damn near impossible, so you have to cut off, which wastes a lot and leaves it in the environment.

BTW... no braid in the mangroves is not just my personal opinion... it is kinda common knowledge around here.

But... as they say... your mileage may vary.

I guess a good example of that is, unlike George, I prefer braid on spinning rods and mono on plug rods. :upside:
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That's very surprising to me Gary. When I first started fishing for Gourami I used 10lb mono (site 10 hooks). The fish runs into a stump and the mono breaks immediately. After switching to 25lbs braid, I can have fish run into stumps and I can unwind them. Even 20lb mono on some of the stumps here is a liability.

It's very interesting how it's different.

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Paul Arden wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2024 1:26 pm That's very surprising to me Gary. When I first started fishing for Gourami I used 10lb mono (site 10 hooks). The fish runs into a stump and the mono breaks immediately. After switching to 25lbs braid, I can have fish run into stumps and I can unwind them. Even 20lb mono on some of the stumps here is a liability.

It's very interesting how it's different.

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Paul,

Do you fight Gourami the same way you fight Snakehead?

And secondly, are your stumps covered with thousands of razor sharp scalpels?

There is actually a technique for when a snook gets you back into the roots. It is definitely not a guarantee, but it is the only chance you have. And that technique is to immediately back off on the pressure you are putting on the fish.

With mono you can feel whether the fish has kept moving, or has come to a stop, at which point you have a chance to dig into the branches and see what is going on. Often they will have wound themselves up to the point of being unable to move.

The problem with braid is that it doesn't seem to slide over the rough edges like mono can. It seems like braid, when it comes into contact with a sharp edge, snags, then cuts. I've never been able to feel a fish moving through the roots with braid - the line immediately goes limp... and usually floats up into the air a bit... which is always a hoot for the other guy in the boat. :D
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Hi Gary,

I think it’s bamboo. But I don’t know. (That might be just because it’s slashed me a few times!) When I first came here I was fishing 20lb mono for Snakehead. All the fish over 5KG I lost to snags. The line cut. It still happened with 30lbs and so I went up to 40, which solved the problem.

While this was happening I bought braid to try that but the heavier mono solved it. So I never used it for some years.

Roll forward and I lost 10 Gourami to stumps/snags over 12 months. Mostly the mono parting. Now here I went from 12lb mono to 25lbs braid. But I can’t really give more stick because the hook straightens at 9lbs. It just means when the line finds snags the leader doesn’t cut.

So that’s why I’m very surprised. Must be different sort of snags; tropical jungle compared to tropical SW!

Does the stuff break immediately on touching barnacles or does is strip cutting strand by strand? Ie is it frayed/pulled apart when you get if back?

Next time I visit some saltwater I’ll run some experiments to see why it cuts. If would be interesting to run some friction tests too.

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Original Fireline is not a braid, rather it is fused twisted filaments. Very different behavior.
When you nick one strand of a braid it seems there is a large percentage loss of strength. With Fireline I think the loss is more incremental.

With spinning reels I use standard braid and a Fluoro leader attached by an FG knot. I find the Fireline behaves better than braid on revolving spool reels.

The rocks we deal with are big boulders. Barnacles on top but thick bubble weed below. Line parts are more often from a sawing motion than a cutting effect.
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I use it as a the tippet connection to the fly.
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Paul,

Often, when you get your line back, whether you or the fish won, mono will have little sections of curly-ques standing out. This is true both for lines on conventional gear or fly leaders. The latter, to my knowledge, are always mono - sometimes nylon, other times fluorocarbon. I don't know of anyone who uses braid in a fly leader around here.

It appears the mono was sort of filleted as it ran over something.

When braids fail, it is almost instantaneous - ping!

No frayed sections. It looks like it was cut by a razor.

Sorry - you might have to Google that last word???? :D

Gary
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Haha :p
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No Name mayfly tied with fireline???
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Hoppers, droppers and the mighty cricket,

-It’s good to be here 🙂😉🙃

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