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Static Roll Cast - Hauling
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Static Roll Cast - Hauling
Thanks for the answer Paul.
The quote is not an onerous requirement. It just means the loop can't be more than (say) 12' behind the caster (9' plus an arm's length), i.e. not a hybrid dynamic roll cast. The guy casting here is nowhere near that limit.
The third requirement is noted in the "general performance requirements" section at the start of the exam: "All presentation casts will roll out above the water." I had been working on the hypothesis that it means the loop will be out of the line before any part of the line touches water.
As I said earlier, I'd happily fish with that cast and I'm not knocking the cast. It's also about 3 metres further than the exam requires. Just asking about how it would fare in the exam ...
A floating tape measure? Mark a floating line and cast it out.
Cheers,
Graeme
The quote is not an onerous requirement. It just means the loop can't be more than (say) 12' behind the caster (9' plus an arm's length), i.e. not a hybrid dynamic roll cast. The guy casting here is nowhere near that limit.
The third requirement is noted in the "general performance requirements" section at the start of the exam: "All presentation casts will roll out above the water." I had been working on the hypothesis that it means the loop will be out of the line before any part of the line touches water.
As I said earlier, I'd happily fish with that cast and I'm not knocking the cast. It's also about 3 metres further than the exam requires. Just asking about how it would fare in the exam ...
A floating tape measure? Mark a floating line and cast it out.
Cheers,
Graeme
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Static Roll Cast - Hauling
Task 13 b:Lasse Karlsson wrote:Graeme, the cast is hauled, in the exam, hauling not allowed...
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Lasse
Task 13. Static Line Roll Casts, Dominant Side: Explain, then demonstrate (a) a static roll cast to 50 ft. (15.2 m), no hauling, no shooting line permitted, and (b) a static roll cast to 55 ft. (16.8m) with a single haul, shooting line is permitted.
We fail the task if no haul is used, but we don't need to shoot line if we don't want to.
Edit: missed the edit ...
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Graeme
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Bloody edits
First of, I'd like to actually measure the cast, Torsten says above 20, clip says about 20, and I don't recall that pond so big , secondly, loop size is borderline, but really only measureable because we can pause the clip, in real time, it would probably pass. As for the last part, like Paul says, not really a requirement
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Lasse
First of, I'd like to actually measure the cast, Torsten says above 20, clip says about 20, and I don't recall that pond so big , secondly, loop size is borderline, but really only measureable because we can pause the clip, in real time, it would probably pass. As for the last part, like Paul says, not really a requirement
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Lasse
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Static Roll Cast - Hauling
BTW, I reckon I cheat at 13b. I lay out 60' of line and haul with no discernible improvement to the cast. I can reach 60' without the haul, so the haul is pulling in a bit of line and reaching about 57' ...
I don't see anything in the exam that says the haul needs to make the cast better than it would be without it!
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Graeme
I don't see anything in the exam that says the haul needs to make the cast better than it would be without it!
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Graeme
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This is not allowed in the EFFA test. Pure and simple no line can be taken behind the rod tip and it must hang down. I should know, I had to take the bloody test twice! It makes a huge difference.The quote is not an onerous requirement. It just means the loop can't be more than (say) 12' behind the caster (9' plus an arm's length), i.e. not a hybrid dynamic roll cast. The guy casting here is nowhere near that limit.
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edit: I teach the static roll cast by reaching back with the rod tip to form the D-loop and have done since '96.
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Having 50 out and shooting 5 is easier once practiced, I would go for that oneGraeme H wrote:BTW, I reckon I cheat at 13b. I lay out 60' of line and haul with no discernible improvement to the cast. I can reach 60' without the haul, so the haul is pulling in a bit of line and reaching about 57' ...
I don't see anything in the exam that says the haul needs to make the cast better than it would be without it!
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Graeme
And I would always go for better than adaquate, its like I told Lee back in the first world championships, we forget like a third of what we know when we step up to the line, and then try to make up for it with brugte force better to be above than at the mark...
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I have never sat the EFFA test, but did sit the FFFE masters twice, wasn't told of for reaching back....Paul Arden wrote:This is not allowed in the EFFA test. Pure and simple no line can be taken behind the rod tip and it must hang down. I should know, I had to take the bloody test twice! It makes a huge difference.The quote is not an onerous requirement. It just means the loop can't be more than (say) 12' behind the caster (9' plus an arm's length), i.e. not a hybrid dynamic roll cast. The guy casting here is nowhere near that limit.
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edit: I teach the static roll cast by reaching back with the rod tip to form the D-loop and have done since '96.
Then again, you where told of for having poor dress code too
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Static Roll Cast - Hauling
I'll see how that goes with the line I choose for the on-water tasks next time. If I end up with a Rio SH Spey line, that tactic will work well (34' head) but the line I used last time was the Snowbee Rollcast line (60' head with a 40' front taper) and shooting line was a pig if I didn't have all of that front taper outside the tip. Otherwise it was a wonderful line.
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Graeme
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Rio SH spey, make sure it's the 7 (really a 9) it flies like a rocket
It's possible to pass all tasks with that line, though it really takes the piss on the "distance" tasks
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Lasse
It's possible to pass all tasks with that line, though it really takes the piss on the "distance" tasks
Cheers
Lasse
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