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Spey to Overhead ratings

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Re: Spey to Overhead ratings

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Post by Graeme H » Sat Sep 26, 2020 1:41 pm

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Many however have different rod actions for Spey vs Overhead, preferring more tip action overhead and butt action for Spey casts.

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Which, I think, is why they want lighter lines for overhead casting with a given rod ... The rod bends less with lighter line.

Morsie, wouldn't you have a bunch of 350 - 450 grain single hand lines lying around to test with?

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Re: Spey to Overhead ratings

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Post by Paul Arden » Sat Sep 26, 2020 1:48 pm

The rod bends less with lighter line.
Is that a good thing or a bad thing?
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Re: Spey to Overhead ratings

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Post by Graeme H » Sun Sep 27, 2020 2:16 am

Doesn't bother me but if people are after that type of feeling in their rod, they can get it with a lighter head than the one they'd use for spey casting.

You said earlier in this thread that you don't like the "brick on the string" feeling with single hand rods and lines designed specifically for spey casting on those rods, so I'm supposing that you would probably choose the lighter head too.

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Re: Spey to Overhead ratings

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Post by Paul Arden » Sun Sep 27, 2020 4:30 am

Sure but I don’t think making a dynamic roll cast ever feels the same as making a long overhead cast and neither feels the same as making an overhead shooting head cast.

Instead I think the three techniques all have their own unique personal “optimised” feel configurations. Most people can’t even agree on line weights for overhead casting. There might be agreement on instructors Spey casting grain weighs in one part of the world but we know that there is a difference between US and European casters choices.

Sage went as far as to have two models, one for the US and the other for European. When I talked with Simon about lines for a TCR1510 that I had, he suggested two lines, one that he liked and one for people who liked it to feel faster. In fact he was fairy certain I wouldn’t like his personal choice - and he was right! :laugh:

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Re: Spey to Overhead ratings

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Post by Lasse Karlsson » Sun Sep 27, 2020 5:43 pm

Graeme H wrote:
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The rod bends less with lighter line.

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That depends on the caster, not the line...

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Re: Spey to Overhead ratings

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Post by Graeme H » Mon Sep 28, 2020 2:23 am

Lasse Karlsson wrote:
Sun Sep 27, 2020 5:43 pm
Graeme H wrote:
Sat Sep 26, 2020 1:41 pm
The rod bends less with lighter line.

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That depends on the caster, not the line...

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Yeah, okay, I get that, but for any given caster ...

(I'm not going to get in a "pinch caster" when I want to fish a different part of the beach. :D )
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Re: Spey to Overhead ratings

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Post by Lasse Karlsson » Tue Sep 29, 2020 6:02 am

Paul Arden wrote:
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Sure but I don’t think making a dynamic roll cast ever feels the same as making a long overhead cast and neither feels the same as making an overhead shooting head cast.

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A good spey delivery, a good overhead longbelly delivery and a good shootinghead delivery all feels very similar to me, it's just throwing a piece of string after all :blush:

And seriously, even different parts of scandinavia can't agree on a grain weight for a given rod, which is just the same, as Bruce said, there is not, have not and probably never will be a rod rating system.

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Re: Spey to Overhead ratings

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Post by Paul Arden » Tue Sep 29, 2020 8:40 am

Yeah but everything feels the same for you Lasse :p Cast the same line on widely different rod stiffnesses and you’ll say it’s all one!

But I agree with you (for once). I cast Ulrik’s DHD overhead set up in Estonia. I found it very soft. I think in Norway I threw Magnus’ one year. Poker. Two guys, same team, same line specs. Totally different setups for the same event. In fact I have no idea how Ulrik does what he does with what he has. It’s incredible to watch, but after casting his gear I’m like WTF? :D

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