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Post by Paul Arden » Thu Apr 15, 2021 2:06 pm

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So I showed this to a friend the other day, because she said she was an atheist, and while I am too, I also like to make life more interesting sometimes. :cool:

How do you explain how such an amazing moth evolved? All the non 3D moths got eaten? Bizarre.

My only explanation somehow is that Nature is God. I don’t see that Darwin really explains this fully and there is something missing in these explanations over what drives evolution.

Anyway if made me think a fair bit last year, when it joined me in the boat :p So I thought I’d share it with you.

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PS it’s not just the 3D leaves of course, but the face, the legs, the mouth... is that the underside of a bat? If that came into my boat I would be very worried!
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Post by Bendix » Thu Apr 15, 2021 8:07 pm

Hi Paul

I absolutely see your point. And that is why I’m not an atheist, but instead consider myself as an agnostic... I’m convinced that there is some sort of higher power behind the world/universe we all live in. But I don’t think that any of the religions we have, are telling the truth about how things came about, and who’s behind it...

The weird thing about my beliefs is, that my older brother is actually a Priest...

But that’s how I feel about it!

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Post by Paul Arden » Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:40 am

My grandfather used to call them “God botherers” :D He was quite funny actually, grew up very working class Glasgow, attended Socialist Sunday School. And then on the other side of that family is Livingstone who wandered all over Africa! :D

I do think in our resistance to religion we sometimes forget nature, the (almost) infinite number of stars and pure wonder that we (should hopefully!) experience throughout our entire lives. I sometimes think we’d be better off starting with a blank sheet, but instead we get indoctrinated from an early age.

When I was 7 or 8 my mum found me praying before going to bed. She asked me what I was doing? I told her I was praying to God that I had learned about in school that day and why hadn’t she told me about him? She was extremely shocked but had no idea what to say. But it was about the same time that I found out that Santa Claus wasn’t real. And I do see a lot of similarities between them!

I tried to get my head around believing at one point but I found it impossible. But then it makes me wonder how did all of this begin 13.8 billion years ago and why, when I take a fly fishing shot, do I feel that everything that has happened before, has been to make this shot happen, and that I am now standing at the very pinnacle over life itself?

It’s pretty heady stuff! You don’t want to fuck that shot up! :D :D

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Post by Tangled » Fri Apr 16, 2021 8:33 am

There's a famous - actually iconic - moth called the Peppered Moth.
It's used as an observed demonstration of evolution. It's a great story if you're interested in this sort of stuff.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-36424768

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Post by Paul Arden » Fri Apr 16, 2021 11:42 am

Thanks Colin. That was a good read. :)
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Post by Graeme H » Sat Apr 17, 2021 11:31 am

Re the moth: what's supposed to be special about it Paul? It just looks like a moth to me.

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Post by Paul Arden » Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:10 pm

It’s nature doing this...
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Post by Graeme H » Sun Apr 18, 2021 12:34 am

Paul Arden wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 2:06 pm

How do you explain how such an amazing moth evolved? All the non 3D moths got eaten?
Yes.
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Post by Paul Arden » Sun Apr 18, 2021 5:22 am

The interesting thing about 3-dimensional camouflage is that it’s a transformation from flat camouflage and adds the perspective of depth. Black vs white moths linked above, is fascinating, but camouflage into 3D camouflage is an unusual step.

The first moth that painted his wings into 3D was really a very fine artist! :cool:

But what I find even more interesting is that it’s not one painting but two. You have the curled 3D leaves and then you also have the face staring at you. I would imagine that came first since eye spots are a common feature on moths (and fish tails, insect wings etc). However usually the eyes are placed near the tail/tip to assist in fleeing. Not near the top along with a toothy appearing mouth!

That’s some funky art there. I’ve seen human art that is 3D and I’ve seen human art that has a deeper image behind the first. But it is pretty remarkable to find both in one... and in a moth.

In 8 years it’s the only one I’ve seen. So either they’re not a very prolific species or they are incredibly successful at remaining hidden!

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