Fly casting / lure casting intersection

[Paul Arden]

Got it - thanks John. Really enjoyed that first video you posted - I learned a lot there. I hadn’t even seen the second technique! I can certainly see how that helps now

I’ve actually got a spinning rod in the boat. I brought it out to try to catch a sunken drone, and then Ashly started fishing with it and now it’s fitted with a castable depth finder! I’ll have a play with both those techniques when back on the ship. Just heading ashore now.

Thanks, Paul

[John Waters]

Hi Paul,

The European technique works best with short but stiff rod. If the tip has too much flex, you get bounce and that stuffs up the smoothness of the plug path. It's the same effect as an excessive power application on a fly rod. I've even had knots tied in the line just above the plug. Casting knots are not unique to fly casting leader tippets.

Forearm movement, elbow movement, single vertical plane etc etc ..... Not that much different to fly casting.

John

[Paul Arden]

The two strokes are really quite different, John. What are the pros and cons of each?

Thinking about it I have seen the “European style” many years ago at an APGAI meet. It also reminds me of a technique I was shown when casting “trotting” gear. But neither to that skill level.

Cheers, Paul

[Lasse Karlsson]

Yep that’s the full pendulum of course. There is a half pendulum cast where the weight is swung in, out, and cast.

Yes, know it, that was the first cast the local surfcasting experts told me to do

It was your spinny spinny all around the tip thing that threw me

Cheers
Lasse

[andrewparkeruk]

Thank you @John, that Adam Royter video is excellent!

Andrew

[andrewparkeruk]

I found this other Adam Royter where he includes a longer fishing cast; I think the technique looks similar to that in @Lasse’s clip

[andrewparkeruk]

Thinking about it I have seen the “European style” many years ago at an APGAI meet

Given @Bendix’s recent post ‘Demise of flyfishing’ where he mentions the popularity of finesse lure fishing (BFS), the game angler instructor organisations may have missed an opportunity when they dropped that discipline. Somehow tho’ I can’t see a chap in a green fleece and neoprene wellies cutting it against Angler Saito

[Lasse Karlsson]

Wow, thanks for the share Andrew!
Guess the flyfishing forgot to keep up in the funk, and lost out :-D
That made me wanna dust of my multi reels and make a short rod out of spare part asap..

Cheers
Lasse

[Torsten]

Hi,

a few German teaching videos for the ICSF events 3,4,5,7:

Ev.3
"Castingsport - eine Einführung ( Disziplin 3: Gewicht Präzision )"
"Casting Sport - An Introduction ( Discipline 3: Spinning Accuracy Arenberg Target )"


Ev.4
"Castingsport - eine Einführung ( Disziplin 4: Gewicht Ziel )"
"Castingsport - an introduction ( Discipline 4: Spinning Accuracy )"


Ev.5
"Castingsport - eine Einführung ( Disziplin 5: Gewicht Weit Einhand 7,5g )"
"Castingsport - an introduction ( Discipline 5: Spinning Distance Singlehand 7,5g )"


Ev. 7
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Paul:

The two strokes are really quite different, John. What are the pros and cons of each?

I've tried both and would say the timing is easier to get right with the long pendulum, e.g. if you release too late with the short you'd hit the ground just in front of you. Somehow I've managed to win a few medals in ev. 3/4, although I'm not spin fishing, but I've found it needs a lot of practise, when I've done nothing for a few months my average points drop immediately. Ev. 5 is an interesting sport, but really too far from fishing IMHO, I never learned this properly - I found Ev. 7 easier, most use a similar technique compared to "full pendulum".

Torsten.

[John Waters]

The two strokes are really quite different, John. What are the pros and cons of each?

Thinking about it I have seen the “European style” many years ago at an APGAI meet. It also reminds me of a technique I was shown when casting “trotting” gear. But neither to that skill level.

Cheers, Paul

Hi Paul,

The US technique is faster and throws a flatter trajectory. You tend to throw at the target. The European technique is slower and the trajectory more "looping", the plug generally drops onto the target, still with speed, but because the plug follows more of a curved path to the target, I think it is more visible whilst in the air. It also allows you to cast the plug past the target and then stop the plug and allow it to pull back and down to the target, a strategy often used in tournaments. The US technique does not allow the same time to adjust because it is generally faster and flatter. The European technique is easier to learn. Results indicate the European technique is more accurate, far more perfect scores are thrown with that technique than the US technique, but that needs to be viewed in respect of the fact that far more casters use the European technique. I also think the European technique is a more solid technique to use when the pressure is on, because it allows for the absorption of the all those movement jerks and stutters that occur when the pressure mounts eg. the final of a world championships when only a perfect score will win a medal. The tolerances allowed by the relatively short, truncated movement range of the US technique make it less forgiving in those situations. In adverse side winds the longer, pre- release path of the plug, that defines European technique, can be more difficult to control than that of the US technique in the same conditions but overall, the European technique is the better for spinning accuracy.

Plug accuracy is far more demanding than fly accuracy casting because there are no false casts to recover an error from, it is all or nothing in one cast. The movement in fly distance casting is more complex than plug distance casting, but the fact that you have only one chance to win in plug distance makes it challenging, but great fun.

I notice far more use of the European technique in competition bream spin fishing events here in Australia, than used to be the case. Another example of a tournament casting development being adopted in fishing. Goes to show casting sport technique and fishing casting technique are really the same thing.

John