Changing task constraints

[Paul Arden]

I’m pretty sure PMP was army! Super chap I saw him for a lesson before I took APGAI. I learned to Spey Cast from his book. There were unfortunately some glaring holes in his casting theory but it’s still a good read.

Cheers, Paul

[Lasse Karlsson]

Hi John

Perhaps an event where the required outcome is to deliver the casting movement as slow as possible, whilst still achieving the desired outcome?

Regards

Vince

Can you figure out a way of scoring that required outcome, I am sure it could be a thing. Preferably by someone not proffesionel or by fancy expensieve equipment

The Danish casting games, thought up by Poul Jorgensen, a flytier, has the pile cast with the fly landing in a ring...

Cheers
Lasse

[VGB]

Can you figure out a way of scoring that required outcome, I am sure it could be a thing. Preferably by someone not proffesionel or by fancy expensieve equipment

The Danish casting games, thought up by Poul Jorgensen, a flytier, has the pile cast with the fly landing in a ring...

Cheers
Lasse

Hi Lasse

I don’t know how much FFI assessors cost but I would need fancy equipment:

Task 8. Casting 40ft (12.2m), demonstrate slow, medium and fast false casting.

Has anyone tried to translate the Danish games to an international level competition?

Regards

Vince

[VGB]

If fly casting is ultimately measurable just by absolute distance and accuracy, why aren’t assessments and casting awards based on 2 tasks?

I guess if the task is smartly designed, they could both be done in 1 cast.

[Lasse Karlsson]

Can you figure out a way of scoring that required outcome, I am sure it could be a thing. Preferably by someone not proffesionel or by fancy expensieve equipment

The Danish casting games, thought up by Poul Jorgensen, a flytier, has the pile cast with the fly landing in a ring...

Cheers
Lasse

Hi Lasse

I don’t know how much FFI assessors cost but I would need fancy equipment:

Task 8. Casting 40ft (12.2m), demonstrate slow, medium and fast false casting.

Has anyone tried to translate the Danish games to an international level competition?

Regards

Vince

Hi Vince

No two FFI assessors would be able to score equally in my experience so fancy equipment it is, and thus not viable for a competition..

First time I tried the Danish casting games, we where four different nationalities at least, does that count?

I used some of the posts when writing the Danish championships, those are open for everyone (though you need a danish social security number to become champion) we've had several swedes enter during the years, so I guess they count too?

Onwards and upwards to infinity

Cheers
Lasse

[Paul Arden]

I enjoy all casting competitions. Single Handed Spey Presentations would be fun! Casting Games for me at at the core of teaching. Make a fun game out of something and learning is more enjoyable.

Cheers, Paul

[Lasse Karlsson]

If fly casting is ultimately measurable just by absolute distance and accuracy, why aren’t assessments and casting awards based on 2 tasks?

I guess if the task is smartly designed, they could both be done in 1 cast.

You'd need a very smart assessor, and someone with very good arguing skills
And take out that man is falible...

Cheers
Lasse

[Lasse Karlsson]

I enjoy all casting competitions. Single Handed Spey Presentations would be fun! Casting Games for me at at the core of teaching. Make a fun game out of something and learning is more enjoyable.

Cheers, Paul

16th January, first time in agreement... must go for a walk now....



Cheers
Lasse

[Paul Arden]

Wow… so early in the year? This must be a record!

[VGB]

You'd need a very smart assessor, and someone with very good arguing skills
And take out that man is falible...

So many variables to account for

I also think both of us could manage an international games just with our immediate family but some of mine like odd shit like hanging off the side of mountains on bits of string.

I enjoy all casting competitions. Single Handed Spey Presentations would be fun! Casting Games for me at at the core of teaching. Make a fun game out of something and learning is more enjoyable.

That’s one way of engaging the general fishing public in competition. I don’t know if you have seen the Film “The Lost World of Mr Hardy”? There’s a short piece where the Casting Club of Paris is having an accuracy competition to targets under a bush. It’s not long enough to make out how they are attacking the problem but I was desperate to watch it because it had real world application. A games with no notification of what the event is and with supplied fishing equipment to level the playing field would be a good day out and might engage some anglers, who may want to see other people solving real world fishing problems.

Looking at the learning element, competition, assessment and teaching casts should be based on a justifiable requirement. The requirement should state what outcome you want to achieve and the justification should state why you need that outcome, and if it is essential or desirable. If you cannot do that in my day job you run the risk of getting accused of running a gold plated science project, I guess in the casting world the equivalent would be an accusation of being on an ego trip. The games/tasks should be designed to avoid that. Which should take us back to the original question of what the requirement and justification is for the following? I don’t believe it is just accuracy and distance

For example, I teach Closed Stance Accuracy, Open Stance Distance, [Belgian/Oval] and 170. I believe that the contrast between styles helps each one. I do other things too of course, particularly “breaking” a style to add other dimensions, but I find that this contrast between resolute styles to be highly beneficial,

One can also do the same thing with the “stops” ie forced stop, pull-back and stopless

Regards
Vince