What is ultimate fly line weight for your fly rod? Or what is the ultimate fly rod for your line? The goal is distance.

[RSalar]

From Mel Krieger’s “The Essence of Flycasting” p.81: “Rod Stiffness in Flycasting. The stiffness of a fly rod determines the range at which it casts most effectively. A stiffer rod generally casts a longer line because it produces greater line speed.”

HAGD,

Ron

[Paul Arden]

“Generally” is the significant word in there. And it’s always to a point, as you would have seen from these discussions. I met Mel quite a few times and he was very inspirational. Wonderful chap.

I think it’s also fair to say that the understanding of how flycasting works is far better than it was 25 years ago. Mel wasn’t writing for a scientific audience either. Hence it’s fine to make simplifications.

Cheers, Paul

[Paul Arden]

I tie my single dry fly leaders like that so that they collapse. That’s a leader designed for a weighted point fly and a wide stroke.

Regards

Vince

I think you might be using a shorter rod.

Cheers, Paul

[Walter]

From Mel Krieger’s “The Essence of Flycasting” p.81: “Rod Stiffness in Flycasting. The stiffness of a fly rod determines the range at which it casts most effectively. A stiffer rod generally casts a longer line because it produces greater line speed.”

HAGD,

Ron

That particular reference source was deprecated a long time ago.

Mel also talked about the difference between teaching engineers and poets. You are putting yourself in to a 3rd category that shows up from time to time.

[VGB]

I think you might be using a shorter rod.

Cheers, Paul

Hi Paul

Usually 9’, occasionally 10’ but I’ve also used a similar technique with a 7’ rod during mayfly. Should I be using a DH?

Regards

Vince

[RSalar]

From Mel Krieger’s “The Essence of Flycasting” p.81: “Rod Stiffness in Flycasting. The stiffness of a fly rod determines the range at which it casts most effectively. A stiffer rod generally casts a longer line because it produces greater line speed.”

HAGD,

Ron

That particular reference source was deprecated a long time ago.

How so?

I figure Mel did quite a bit of casting andknew something about the topic. Not sure, but I would expect he did little testing before putting those words in print.

In all these pages I have yet to see any scientific evidence to the contrary. Maybe you can provide it?

—Ron

[Paul Arden]

Well I don’t know the difference then Vince. Maybe our respective fishing roots. A leader of 1.5x the rod length I have no problems tucking, curving or collapsing. The drawing was from ‘96 in the stillwater manual.

Cheers, Paul

[VGB]

Tippet length Paul, your leader is effectively an 11ft tippet attached to a 9ft leader.

Regards

Vince

[Walter]

From Mel Krieger’s “The Essence of Flycasting” p.81: “Rod Stiffness in Flycasting. The stiffness of a fly rod determines the range at which it casts most effectively. A stiffer rod generally casts a longer line because it produces greater line speed.”

HAGD,

Ron

That particular reference source was deprecated a long time ago.

How so?

I figure Mel did quite a bit of casting andknew something about the topic. Not sure, but I would expect he did little testing before putting those words in print.

In all these pages I have yet to see any scientific evidence to the contrary. Maybe you can provide it?

—Ron

Don’t use Poppa Smurf’s name in vain. He was a great teacher. He wasn’t a scientist.

As for scientific proof - OYE. It has been given, repeated, regiven, restated, washed, rinsed, repeated ad nauseum. We’ve had people on the board who will forever be remembered as the rotation guy, the wave guy, the flying flyline guy and now it looks like we can add the bend guy but you seem to be at least looking over the edge of the Apple cart to see if it’s safe to get off so I’ll reserve judgement a bit longer.

[Walter]

Tippet length Paul, your leader is effectively an 11ft tippet attached to a 9ft leader.

Regards

Vince

Doh! Good one. I can see myself being beaned a lot less often in the future.