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Being as it's been mentioned above, the svirgolato cast can be used for both right and left curves from a low (horizontal) rod plane - would these casts be suitable to pass the task in question?

Mangrove Cuckoo wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 12:16 am OK, I must retract.

Fine combing the MCI requirements, I found this:

"Unless specifically permitted by a task, elliptical (or Belgian/Gebetsroither) casts, Barnegat Bay casts
(forward cast away from target, backcast to target), and Galway casts (forward cast away from, and offside forward cast to target) are not allowed."

So, unless I wanted to start an argument or lawyer up, and also be crafty with my backcast stroke, my second choice of using a low off-side presentation of a normal back cast would fall into the Barnegat Bay definition and not be allowed.

If I were taking the MCI today, I personally would default to an under-powered curve for my second demo of both curves.

Reading through the tests has caused me to re-live my original distaste of the obvious bias toward trout fishing techniques. Many of these requirements are foreign to and pretty much useless in the salt. Tom White talked me down and rationalized that salt fly represents only about 5% of fly fishing (at that time). But, the quoted text above is obviously saying, "Don't bring your saltwater techniques to this test!"

I have half a mind to create an unofficial "CI-Salt" exam just out of spite, and to highlight how different the "basic" requirements are.

VGB wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 9:59 pm

Paul Arden wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 6:12 pm Hi Vince, I wouldn’t “take out anything”. That’s adding not taking away

Cheers, Paul

Hi Paul

If you keep adding stuff to the CI, the candidates will have to take a hotel and take the assessment over a couple of days

Regards

Vince

Paul Arden wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 6:30 am Now I’m free again let’s have a Zoom meet Graeme. Just give me a couple of days to recover.

Cheers, Paul

Paul Arden wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 6:20 am That is normal. Anyway I’m not talking about CCI (FFI), simply that casting instructors should all be able to make and teach curve casts. It’s something I’ve been asked to teach many times over the years and it’s one of the things that separates flycasting from other forms of casting.

What appears on tests is irrelevant to me but if you were to ask me specifically about CCI and exams taking 90 minutes or less, assuming it is an exam for professional teaching ie charging money and as a professional body? That seems like an incredibly short amount of time particularly without an official training programme. However I don’t think the IFF structure of being a subset of a conservation group is the correct one for a professional body either and so I make no specific comments about that only what should Casting Instructors be able to teach and demonstrate in their field!

Graeme H wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 2:50 am The Svirgoleto cast involves creating a tailing loop so it would not be allowed in the exam.

Graeme H wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 3:11 am BTW, I failed my MCI exam again. My weakness in the "freshwater-only techniques" let me down again and it will always do so. Casting without hauling, mends around targets, curve casts with specific styles and accuracy without a haul or shooting line (ever tried to hover a crab on a permit? ) are simply not things I use on a regular basis. The only time I practice/use them is for the MCI exam ...

As a matter you be prepared to do a 2/3 year college course before being allowed to teach?

Paul Arden wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 7:59 am Most do indeed train nowadays for a few years and a properly structured programme is actually what I believe many are looking for.