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Fly Rods - slow or fast action
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Re: Fly Rods - slow or fast action
Paul,
Why do you think the loops unstable with the higher line weights like the HT12 you mentioned? Are you referring to HT12 with an MED5?
Why do you think the loops unstable with the higher line weights like the HT12 you mentioned? Are you referring to HT12 with an MED5?
Re: Fly Rods - slow or fast action
Hi Bernd
Something like that? Merlin
Something like that? Merlin
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Re: Fly Rods - slow or fast action
Yes that’s the 5MED on HT12. It’s either because you need a narrow abrupt casting arc, or because the loops start off very narrow. I don’t know. I do know any sort of wind and it was very difficult to control. In fact it was difficult just to get the cast started in blustery conditions.
If did make me think that in strong tailwind conditions we should consider dropping from a 10 to an 8.
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Re: Fly Rods - slow or fast action
Is loop stability related to its angular momentum?
Smaller loop, less angular momentum, less stability?
Smaller loop, less angular momentum, less stability?
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Re: Fly Rods - slow or fast action
Hi Rikard
Try casting three different rods with the same line on, at the same time. Its a fun excercise, and teaches you something about forgiving rods, or the lack there off...
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Re: Fly Rods - slow or fast action
The other issue, I think, is loops that start narrow on a long carry can morph into a collision.
If the rod is not bending, then we have to generate line speed mainly from the haul. Significant rotation only serves to dome the fly leg. I think we just end up being limited by the amount of speed that we can generate into a straight fly leg.
I know many of us have cast rigid rods. There is no way that is what we want for distance. So there is undoubtedly a balance in there, and I think it is around 10WT for a ~90’ MED5 carry.
So yes bend matters. It turns rotation at the rod butt into translation at the rod tip. No bend we have a problem. Too much bend we have a problem. There is an optimal stiffness window.
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Re: Fly Rods - slow or fast action
How big is that window in your oppinion?Paul Arden wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 4:29 am
So yes bend matters. It turns rotation at the rod butt into translation at the rod tip. No bend we have a problem. Too much bend we have a problem. There is an optimal stiffness window.
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And bend happens because you move the rod, you get it wether you like it or not.
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Re: Fly Rods - slow or fast action
Alejandro’s broomstick is almost rigid Lasse. I know many of us have played with this. Obviously an extreme example.
I don’t know how large that window is. I’ve only cast 5, 6, 8, 10 and 12 in the HT range with a MED5. It will be interesting to try 9 and 11. But I’ll have to make them first.
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I don’t know how large that window is. I’ve only cast 5, 6, 8, 10 and 12 in the HT range with a MED5. It will be interesting to try 9 and 11. But I’ll have to make them first.
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Re: Fly Rods - slow or fast action
My arm is more rigid than Alejandros three buttsections stuck together, Alejandros rod is more pleasant to fish with a whole day, than no rod
You should make a 14 and a 16 instead and see if it gets you 4 meters more
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You should make a 14 and a 16 instead and see if it gets you 4 meters more
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Re: Fly Rods - slow or fast action
I’m not totally sure that we are talking about the same thing here. I’m talking about it being easier to regain control of a long carry that has gotten out of control with a rod that is a bit stiffer. It might have to do with the longer lever we get from the stiffer rod.Lasse Karlsson wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 6:37 pmHi Rikard
Try casting three different rods with the same line on, at the same time. Its a fun excercise, and teaches you something about forgiving rods, or the lack there off...
Cheers
Lasse